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Joachim Deneuve...
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17th Century countries

So, I was wondering if there were any 'missing' nations compared to historical 17th Century.  i checked a map for 1648 (post-Treaty of Westphalia, which ended the 30-years War).

Working from the west:

Portugal: subsumed into Castille?

Spanish Kingdoms: Castille.

Ireland: Inismore

Scotland: Highland Marches

England: Avalon

Kingdom of France: Montaigne

Holy Roman Empire: Eisen

Dutch Republic: part of Vestenmannavnjar?

Kingdom of Denmark: part of Vestenmannavnjar

Swiss: covered by Eisen? maybe not.

Italian City-states: Vodacce.

Kingdom of Sweden: also part of Vestenmannavnjar

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth: Sarmatian Commonwealth

Hungary? Partly outside the HRE, but not under the Ottomans: Eisen??

Transylvania / Wallachia/ Moldova, Satrpies of the Ottomans?: In crescent Empire book?

Tsardom of Russia: Ussura


This gives 3 possibilites:  Portugal, separate from Castille; Switzerland, free from Eisen; Hungary.


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Ben Woerner
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The Nations of Theah books should answer some of those questions. 

I'm not working on any of them, but my understanding is that Hungary and the Balkans are part of Sarmatia, sort of.

The Vesten cover all the Nordic countries, including the Netherlands, and Portugal is a Penninsula of Castille. 

Soren Hjorth
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Portugal might be Odisea?

... I'm just curious in trying to find Hungary in Samartia. They don't seem that much alike. But I suppose it's much better than 1e where Transylvania and Poland were all in Eisen.

/Soren A. Hjorth

Joachim Deneuve...
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I'd agree, having read its bits in Nations of Théah.

Cthulhu Netobvious
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Thanks, @JoachimDeneuve, especially the mention of the Holy Roman Empire.

I did not know that Frederck Barbarossa's Germanic revival of Rome survived late into the Renaissance and into the Age of Enlightenment in the 18th Century.

I still love the Empires two-headed eagle crest.

Heraldry for Holy Roman Empire Double Eagle

TAJ-07: Technopriest And Justicar Of 7thSea2e

Joachim Deneuve...
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The Holy Roman Empire existed into the early 19th Century.

Of course, there were three things it wasn't:

  • It wasn't holy
  • It wasn't Roman
  • It wasn't an empire.
Soren Hjorth
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Vesten being Scandinavia... Sigh. Looking forward to reading the Book.

/Soren A. Hjorth

Soren Hjorth
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NoTv1 is out. And I gotta say, the Vestenmennavenjar are not a 16th Century country analogue. They're a Skyrim-reject nation loosely based of iron age Scandinavian culture, transposed into the 16th Century, which is a goddamn shame!

Even Avalon, a pretty stereotyped nations have three different flavours internally! There's a lot of ideas I can see has fled from Scandinavian folklore, but for the love of jebus and Reis, being Scandinavian and a 7th Sea fan is a hard path to tread.

/Soren A. Hjorth

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