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James Friery
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Does anyone else feel weird not being able to see new movement on the KS everyday

Maybe it's equivalent of not getting your land legs after a wild and crazy cruise but when I check and sea the numbers not still going up - I is the sad

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BluSponge
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Only a little.  I like being productive.  And following the comments on the kickstarter just ate my time.

True Iskander
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I've backed a whole bunch of things on KS, and I wonder if part of that is the enjoyment of letting yourself get swept up in a successful campaign. Every day brings new drama with the different stretch goals and milestones to be reached!
Salamanca
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Um, nope. Not even a little bit. We hit a saturation point on this in terms of what the team can get done. Pushing bigger numbers and more goals would have spread them to the point where nothing gets done. Truth be told, I don't even want to see another kickstarter offer because this one should have been enough to establish the company firmly and sales from those 10+ books should cover the start up costs for anything about the East, a board game or a different RPG. It should not be a replacement for a "preorder" system.
Salamanca
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Actually, that might be a good idea for one of you tech types looking for a digital business. A system to preorder games from companies that don't need to fund the whole thing from the ground up. Guys like cool mini or not should have the capital and are just using the kickstarter to judge interest in the project and grab a share of cash in advance. But at this point, they should be self sustaining.
True Iskander
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I agree about Cool Mini or Not, I find it weird that people are still backing their projects when it's clear they don't actually need to be using KS.
Salamanca
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Kickstarter in the game industry is getting used be some folks as a marketing tool. Toss the idea out at the draft/mock up stage and if they back it, you finish design and produce it. If they don't, you scrap it and repurposed bits for the next idea. Plus, you can mismanage your profits and still get off the ground. And i have seen the articles about how kickstarter normally barely cover expenses. To me that is an extension of the financial problem. If you are offering goals that break you, you are offering the wrong thing. But it is a smart way to predict interest and potential sales (and thus number of copies to produce). I just think there needs to be a differentiation between a kick-start program and a preorder system.
Red Jenny
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While the kickstarter was fun to watch (and I did watch it obsessively), I'm just as happy with having the forums here to read through to keep my interest.

Doctor
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I do miss the kind of frantic energy of the campaign and the community that rose up out of it; but I am with Jenny in that I am very happy to have a forum to keep the momentum going. By the way, Congrats on 1000 posts. 

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.”
- H.L. Mencken

Cthulhu Netobvious
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Wow! We already notched over 1000 posts. Thanks to all the active contributors here. We have several anonymous readers inspired to visit and read our posts too.

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Salamanca
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1,000... Wow, sorry about that. I tend to reply to everything in sight. Kidding aside, I have been a part of most of the forums for this game over the last 15 years. All of them have had some great posters with creative ideas to share. But this group has tossed some great conceptual discussions around without a sourcebook to draw on. I look forward to seeing this unfold with the lot of you.
Cthulhu Netobvious
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@TrueIskandar, I listed out all the sites I found at this link below, so moved your question and @Krupp's detailed response to join that growing list (which includes a cool Reddit for 7th Sea too). angel

http://www.7thsea2e.com/port/forum/linking-to-other-fan-sites

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Cthulhu Netobvious
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A short comment "Watching paint dry" causes less boredom that waiting for the "1st Edition of 7th Sea PDFs" from John Wick Presents today.

So if someone here gets wind of the update quickly, feel free to post it here for us to debae. devil

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Cthulhu Netobvious
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Latest updated by John Wick still stays 1st edition PDFs will appear tonight, though time is running out.

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Morgan Wolfe
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It tickles me every time someone posts that, that everyone is looking at my question about card sizes :-).

Morgan Wolfe
aka Capt. Doña Sir Kestrel of Avalon http://silver-gateway.com/7sea/

Doctor
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The exact timing of the release is likely to be spread out over days. It is my guess that the list JWP got from KS is not something they can just hand over to Drivethru. My guess is that someone at JWP is working as fast as they can, basically copying, pasting, and clicking OK about 11000 times.

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.”
- H.L. Mencken

Cthulhu Netobvious
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@Doctor, that is why we have software. Programmed correctly, it can protect your privacy and yet still allow linking of the Usernames to the Email addresses to sendout the PDF links.

So John Wick's team should have said Surveys will be sent out on this day and those who respond early get their PDFs a day after they respond. Software can actually send out the PDFs immediatley the survey is completed (we do that here when you forget yoru password and need a reminder).

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Evan Sageser
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I've got mine, just in time for my follow-up session to the quickstart.

Cthulhu Netobvious
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Cthulhu is happily devouring his 1st edition too. (^^^)

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Salamanca
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Any questions about anything you read, toss it out here. If it involves metaplot, ask in the spoiler section. If it involves mechanics throw it in the core rules section. I will answer to the best of my abilities.
True Iskander
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How vital is the info in the Compendium?  I'm sure it's all useful to some degree, but is it "good to have on hand in case an issue arises" useful or "I should review this just thoroughly as the PG and GMG" useful?

True Iskander
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Two more related questions:

1) For a new GM and 2-3 PCs (though none are new to RPing), what's the best premade adventure to act as an intro to the system/world?

2) Does 7th Sea favor smaller or larger party sizes? Some companies tend to favor parties of a specific size, most notably D&D with 4.

Salamanca
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The compendium Gabe us a physical compilation of what was added or changed in the second printing of the player and GM guide. If the Aldana swordschools says the apprentice rolls an extra unkept die equal to mastery level for Initiative, you are reading the second printing and will need nothing but the shortcut for character generation and the sailor speech in the back.
True Iskander
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Looks like the PDF does say that. Just for comparison, what did the first printing say?
Salamanca
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Spend a drama die to make a contested wits check vs. Resolve. If you win you increase the facing on the target's lowest Initiative die. So it currently makes you faster and used to make the opponent slower. (But that bogged down play with extra checks)
Ed Dorner Jr.
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I got mine BUT I think it might be missing some stuff. Weren't the Swashbuckling Adventures books said to be included as well?

Doctor
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Swashbuckling Adventures got hung up on some rights transfer issues. My guess is someone forgot to call someone else's lawyer to get the right releases for things released under a D20 imprint. It's possible that no one is at fault and DrivethruRPG is just doing its due diligence and no one at WoTC's legal team could be reached on a weekend. Anyway, they will be released in a second wave.

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.”
- H.L. Mencken

Cthulhu Netobvious
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Waves are already happening with us having to download in batches to save the harbors of DriveThruRPG. LOL

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Salamanca
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Hopefully this will let them figure out a way to ease the burden when the core book drops. For the record, I am totally OK with JWP sending that out in waves. Maybe give the upper tier backer levels a bonus for generosity (every body over say 120 bucks) then a second release for the mid range support (maybe 60-120) and then the last release for the just PDF crowd. AND AFTER that make it open for purchase. Or run it the other order since the big backers are getting wonderful toys. And by a split, I literally mean a day apart. Just to break up demand on the site. As October is a busy work month for me, I will again do you all a favor and delay downloading when it releases. (It's a small thing but the best I got)
Morgan Wolfe
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I for one am just as happy not having the siren song of the KS to draw me away from other things that need doing.

It's bad enough that a new document on an ancestor from my sister got me back into genealogy research again, and I got almost nothing else done for over a week (which is also why I posted nothing here -- earlier this evening "new and updated topic" went into three pages!). On the up side, I may have finally broken the Great Wall of the Atlantic and traced one of our lines back to Ireland.

I'll try to keep up a little better smiley.

Morgan Wolfe
aka Capt. Doña Sir Kestrel of Avalon http://silver-gateway.com/7sea/

Code Ronin
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(Thread necro here...)

I'm just wishing we had some substantial news at this point. Getting the 1e PDFs is nice, but I'm really digging the 2e rules from the quickstart, and I'm eager for more!

Salamanca
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Patience, young padawan. It will arrive when it is ready to arrive and you can spend the next twenty years enjoying the effort. A few months of anticipation is not much to ask for all that fun.
Code Ronin
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I don't have any patience, I'm not a doctor!

All kidding aside, I guess I am being a bit impatient. My apologies to one and all.

Salamanca
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I want this thing yesterday too. I just scream about it in the backyard instead of online.
BluSponge
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I'm with you, Code Ronin.  It's just too quiet on the western front.  Sure, it's nice to have the 1st ed PDFs now, but I had most of those in my library already.  So I'm jonesing for previews.

Doctor
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I feel like they are overdue for an update post.

 

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.”
- H.L. Mencken

Ben Woerner
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Is that a good update? :)

Salamanca
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To be honest, I would prefer seeing John take the feedback now, go back for a rewrite and keep to the October schedule. There will be things that could use it.
Ben Woerner
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What major re-writes do you mean?

Salamanca
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Start with the secret society blurbs. R&C seems so boring that I don't want to play them ever again and I live and breathe that group. The rest could use some sense of excitement as well. Explain why the DK are so fervent about monsters when they found none on their journeys. The GM section repeats all that pretty prose about hats and meta information which is good material but this system with it's new " never fail" paradigm NEEDS instruction on how to make the players feel challenge and drama when they know they are going to succeed. It needs a guide on how to structure an adventure from the ground up to fill a play session. Advice on what to do when players run out of raises to spend in a sequence, a rough idea of threat level for a group of 4 vs. A group of 6, an advisory on building and balancing new backgrounds because that pretty little list left some big gaps. The dueling rules still need clarification on when you can or cannot use them, what players without the dueling abilityay do or spend raises on and what happens when a Duelist fights an untrained fighter. I have already seen complaints on RPG net about language translation issues in German, there is time to get that fixed or we spend a decade listening to more "el vago" complaints. And while I understand that sourcebooks with villians are coming, you have nothing in here for a new and possibly inexperienced GM to use to start a game right off the bat. I also have issue with all the red text but that is personal taste and aesthetics. Now, I may have overlooked where some of this is actually covered, you all threw this at us with no warning on a very busy working weekend for me. But as a GM with 37 years of experience, this is the sort of thing I should be able to see at first glance.
Tec Goblin
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I tend to agree. While there's a lot that's good in this book (and fantastic art), I cannot shake the feeling that it needs at least 4 more weeks in the oven. Typos etc we'll get and report in the first 2 weeks (I already have a list of problems on German and sometimes French as well), but some sections require rewriting, either because important information is missing or unclear, or because they just read like a quick blog entry of a modern american tourist who visited Théah - bad flow, bad mood and weird language.

Add to that the things which might need to change in the rules, and which the community will only spot after a month of playtesting and I cannot see how this will get printed before August.

 

Tec Goblin
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I read the SC sections and I agree with you. They're just so uncool. The narrative about DK forgets to tell us where did they learn that monsters exist and what did they learn. R&K are boring, and SD sufferred the hardest nerfhammer I've ever seen. Ok, they were overpowered, but there's definitely some middle ground between 'ancient all-knowning cult behind most courts and many major events' and 'recent tiny off-spring of rilasciare', particularly in a world where porté still harms the world.

This section should have been marked as gm only (after all there's already a summary earlier in the book) and catch this feeling that every secret society has a secret which makes them convinced they're right and they can sacrifice everything for their purpose. Now they look like hobby clubs.

 

Kevin Krupp
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Speaking of language translation issues, the name for Ussuran Sorcery is horrible. It's completely grammatically incorrect; Russian doesn't use the 's posessive and the word they're using is the infinitive form of the word. My wife is a native Russian speaker and did her college degree in Russian language and literature. According to her, even if you were to make it grammatically correct, it would still basically translate to "Mother is molesting you."

It's even more inappropriate when you consider the art currently included for that page.

Idesama
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Um, I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes, but I thought that one was the Polish society, not the Russian one?

Edit: I'm sorry I misread the original statement. The complaint about the Russian Sorcery makes a lot more sense. :)

Salamanca
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Makes sense to me but that should be changed for the greater good.
Ben Woerner
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Did you send that as feeback? 

Kevin Krupp
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Yes I did, although I don't recall if I explained it in detail or just said that my wife said the name really needed to be replaced with something else. I also included several alternatives and the translation for them.

Code Ronin
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A history section would be nice.

Ben Woerner
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Likely to come during the Nations of Theah books.

Salamanca
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The copy paste on the skill list in two sections of the book seems like a wasted page that could be repurposed.
Cthulhu Netobvious
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Did anyone find the section that explained how to grow the Danger Pool? I played it the Conan Kickstarter way, where Hero Points, if spent by the players, entered the GM's Danger Pool. And when the GM spent from that Danger Pool, then those counters returned to the out-of-play recycling bucket.

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